Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/05/2001 01:15 PM House JUD

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HB 13 - SERVICE AREAS:VOTER APPROVAL/TAX ZONES                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0091                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  announced that the  committee would  hear SPONSOR                                                               
SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE  BILL NO. 13, "An Act  relating to municipal                                                               
service areas and providing for  voter approval of the formation,                                                               
alteration, or abolishment of certain service areas."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0107                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CON  BUNDE,  Alaska State  Legislature,  sponsor,                                                               
explained  that  SSHB  13 was  about  local  control,  empowering                                                               
voters, and  privatization.  He  pointed out that in  the packets                                                               
was  a letter  from  former Representative  Willis detailing  the                                                               
situation   in  Anchorage.     The   charter  that   created  the                                                               
borough/city of Anchorage had to  address the needs and interests                                                               
of people  outside the city.   One such interest  was maintaining                                                               
the ability  to have control  of local road service.   Currently,                                                               
there is  some concern  about a "tyranny  of the  majority;" that                                                               
local areas, particularly on issues  of road service, aren't able                                                               
to  maintain  their level  of  service  if the  surrounding  area                                                               
chooses to  vote them out  of existence.   He ventured that  if a                                                               
decision was to be advantageous  to all parties, then all parties                                                               
must be  involved in the process  of reaching said decision.   In                                                               
terms of  service area issues,  if both the surrounding  area and                                                               
the affected area agree, then  reaching a majority vote would not                                                               
be a problem.  However, if  the local [affected] area objected to                                                               
proposals, it  should not be  subject to them simply  because the                                                               
surrounding  areas  voted in  favor  of  the  proposals.   As  an                                                               
analogy,  why should  people in  Virginia make  decisions on  our                                                               
[Alaska]  exploration  of  the Arctic  National  Wildlife  Refuge                                                               
(ANWR).  Or similarly, why  should people in Anchorage, which has                                                               
half  the population  of Alaska,  make decisions  for the  entire                                                               
state.  He felt that SSHB 13  comes down to a definition of local                                                               
control and  is perhaps  also a  policy issue.   While  there are                                                               
those  that define  local  control as  the  local government,  he                                                               
subscribes to the notion that  local control should come from the                                                               
local  voters -  power should  emanate from  the people,  not the                                                               
government.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0400                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE  added that  SSHB  13  would not  have  any                                                               
impact on  the Hillside Police  issue because the  Alaska Supreme                                                               
Court had already resolved that  case and this legislation is not                                                               
retroactive.  In closing, he  assured the committee that this was                                                               
not  special interest  legislation  for a  small  part of  Alaska                                                               
[Anchorage],  but that,  in fact,  Fairbanks  and the  Matanuska-                                                               
Susitna (Mat-Su) regions also have  interest in these issues.  He                                                               
pointed  out that  in  addition to  defining  what constitutes  a                                                               
majority vote,  SSHB 13  also allows  areas to  have differential                                                               
taxation.   This is of  particular interest to  Fairbanks because                                                               
it has  117 local road  service areas.   And while many  of those                                                               
areas  would  like  to consolidate  for  administrative  savings,                                                               
current law  prohibits this because of  the differential taxation                                                               
issue.   As an  example, an  area with  improved streets  and one                                                               
with  gravel streets  could each  [after  joining together  under                                                               
SSHB 13] assess themselves for  their particular level of service                                                               
needs  and then  elect  one local  road  board representative  to                                                               
oversee  the maintenance  contracts of  both areas.   That  local                                                               
road board  representative would then  ensure that each  area was                                                               
getting  its needs  fulfilled.   Thus,  the people  in each  road                                                               
service  area would  only be  paying for  the services  for which                                                               
they vote.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0637                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  made  a  motion to  adopt  the  proposed                                                               
committee  substitute  (CS)  for SSHB  13,  version  22-LS0164\F,                                                               
Cook, 2/3/01, as a work draft.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  objected for the purpose  of discussing                                                               
the specific changes in the proposed CS.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE said  that the  only change  encompassed in                                                               
the  proposed CS  is the  deletion of  the language  referring to                                                               
second class boroughs with a population under 60,000.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0730                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  removed his objection.   Therefore, the                                                               
proposed CS was before the committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE  responded to questions  from Representative                                                               
James by affirming  that, to his knowledge, there  were no second                                                               
class boroughs with  a population less than 60,000  that had road                                                               
service areas.  And while he  did not know if such boroughs would                                                               
want road  service areas in  the future, nothing in  the proposed                                                               
CS would preclude their establishment.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE clarified  for Representative Berkowitz that                                                               
the four  second class  boroughs with  a population  under 60,000                                                               
were Aleutians  East, Bristol Bay, Ketchikan  Gateway, and Kodiak                                                               
Island.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE  explained that his motivation  for bringing                                                               
this issue before  the committee was to  maintain flexibility and                                                               
preserve the right  of the individual faced  with manipulation by                                                               
voters outside  his or her  service area.   To highlight  his own                                                               
circumstance, he did not want his  local road service areas to be                                                               
changed or  absorbed into  the municipality,  i.e., voted  out of                                                               
existence without a  majority vote of the people  both inside the                                                               
affected service areas and in  the surrounding areas.  As another                                                               
example, Representative  Ogan's district  has a number  of people                                                               
with highly-valued limited  road service areas that  they wish to                                                               
maintain control of without undue  influence from distant borough                                                               
seats of government.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 950                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE  further  explained  that if  two  or  more                                                               
existing  service  areas  wanted   to  join  together  to  effect                                                               
administrative cost savings,  a majority of each  area must agree                                                               
on the consolidation; however, the  existing mill rates would not                                                               
change.     In  response  to   questions  from   Chair  Rokeberg,                                                               
Representative  Bunde indicated  that  he was  not  aware of  any                                                               
statutorily  imposed  size limitations  for  service  areas.   He                                                               
reiterated  his earlier  explanation  regarding the  differential                                                               
taxation provision.   It was  also pointed out that  the proposed                                                               
CS  deals only  with the  alteration or  abolishment of  existing                                                               
road service areas and not with their creation.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE responded to  the concerns of Representative                                                               
Berkowitz  by saying  that in  this  instance, state  involvement                                                               
through  the  proposed  CS,  would  act  to  confirm  what  local                                                               
charters  originally  intended  rather then  circumventing  those                                                               
intentions.  He also reminded  members that home rule governments                                                               
do not have carte blanche;  currently the state has imposed "some                                                               
53 limitations."  In addition, he  did not feel that the proposed                                                               
CS would bestow privileges based on  residency to just the few in                                                               
the  local  service  area,  because  voters  in  the  surrounding                                                               
service areas  would also get to  vote on changes.   In this way,                                                               
changes would  only occur  with the approval  of the  majority in                                                               
each of the areas involved with, and affected by, the decision.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES pointed  out that  the current  practice of                                                               
surrounding  boroughs making  decisions  for  local road  service                                                               
areas, would be similar to the  state coming in and combining two                                                               
small boroughs                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1488                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  communicated  that  the referral  to  the  House                                                               
Judiciary Standing  Committee (HJUD) came  at the request  of the                                                               
House Community  and Regional  Affairs Standing  Committee (HCRA)                                                               
because [HCRA]  saw the need for  HJUD to focus primarily  on the                                                               
constitutional issues of the proposed CS.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JEFFREY   W.   BUSH,   Deputy   Commissioner,   Office   of   the                                                               
Commissioner,  Department  of  Community &  Economic  Development                                                               
(DCED), provided  handouts to  the committee  and noted  that the                                                               
proposed  CS  dealt  with  two   of  four  the  points  that  the                                                               
department had issues with.   He conveyed that the administration                                                               
opposes this legislation  for many of the same  reasons that were                                                               
expressed in  the veto last  year of HB 133.   He touched  on the                                                               
two  different  aspects  of  the  bill,  which  are  as  follows:                                                               
provisions dealing  with voter rights  within service  areas, and                                                               
the provisions  that allow  for differential  tax rates  within a                                                               
service area.   The  administration does  not have  objections to                                                               
the taxation differential contained in  Section 4.  He elaborated                                                               
on this point, saying that  under existing law, service areas can                                                               
combine  for administrative  savings  though they  could not  at,                                                               
this time, have different tax rates.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1725                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUSH explained that both  the DCED and the Attorney General's                                                               
Office feel  the proposed CS  has failed to demonstrate  a clear,                                                               
overriding  state  interest;   without  this  demonstration,  the                                                               
Alaska State  Constitution prohibits limiting the  powers of home                                                               
rule municipalities.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
TAMARA COOK,  Director, Legislative Legal and  Research Services,                                                               
Legislative  Affairs Agency,  Alaska State  Legislature, provided                                                               
the committee  with handouts  of legal  opinions that  related to                                                               
the constitutional  aspects of the  proposed CS.   Addressing the                                                               
issue  of   whether  the   legislature  has   the  constitutional                                                               
authority to  limit a home  rule power  as the proposed  CS does,                                                               
she referred  to the  Jefferson v State  case, wherein  the court                                                             
spoke  of  the confusion  it  had  created  with respect  to  the                                                               
relative  power of  home rule  municipalities  and state  control                                                               
over home  rule municipalities.   She  believed the  case clearly                                                               
said that the  legislature or the state by  direct statement, has                                                               
the authority  to preempt  home rule power.   She  indicated that                                                               
the proposed  CS would  have that effect  because it  contained a                                                               
statement that  applies to  home rule  municipalities.   Ms. Cook                                                               
felt  that the  cases cited  in  the letter  written by  Marjorie                                                               
Vandor, Assistant  Attorney General,  applied only  to situations                                                               
where  the state  has not,  by  law, specifically  stated that  a                                                               
statute  preempts a  municipal  ordinance  or municipal  charter.                                                               
She was  of the opinion,  based on  the outcome of  the Jefferson                                                             
case, that the state was completely  free to make a policy choice                                                               
on  the extent  that home  rule powers  could be  curtailed.   To                                                               
clarify for Representative Berkowitz,  she acknowledged that with                                                               
regard  to   the  proposed  CS,  state   statute  would  directly                                                               
supersede a municipal charter if  any conflict arose; in fact, on                                                               
numerous other occasions state statute had already done so.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1994                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. COOK directed members to Article  X, Section 5, of the Alaska                                                               
State Constitution, which requires  that the formation of service                                                               
areas be  curtailed; if  service can be  provided by  an existing                                                               
service area or city, a new service  area can not be formed.  The                                                               
preference is to either incorporate  as a city or expand existing                                                               
service  areas.    In response  to  questions  by  Representative                                                               
Berkowitz, she explained that the  proposed CS would not have any                                                               
application outside the context of  the "service area", except if                                                               
there was  some form  of an  existing service  area.   Further, a                                                               
service area is  specifically formed through a  formal process to                                                               
provide either  special services  or a  higher level  of services                                                               
than those  already performed on  an areawide basis by  a borough                                                               
or municipality.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COOK clarified  for  Representative James  that,  even if  a                                                               
borough should be  granted, by a vote of the  people, the ability                                                               
to exercise  a nonareawide power, it  might choose not to  do so.                                                               
If, however,  the borough did choose  to exercise its power  on a                                                               
nonareawide basis,  it would not preclude  existing service areas                                                               
from providing a higher level of services.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL asked  if  there  were any  prohibitions,                                                               
under  the proposed  CS, against  another service  area providing                                                               
services that municipalities or  boroughs were not delivering due                                                               
to their current charters.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2323                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COOK warned  the committee  that she  was not  that familiar                                                               
with the  home rule situation,  but pointed out that  other types                                                               
of boroughs had  quite limited powers.  For example,  some of the                                                               
second  class boroughs  are  restricted to  the  point that  they                                                               
don't even have road powers.   In the case of Haines, the state's                                                               
only third class  borough, it can only provide  education and tax                                                               
for  education,  on  an  areawide  basis;  according  to  current                                                               
statute, no  other services can  be provided except on  a service                                                               
area basis.  The large number  of second class boroughs in Alaska                                                               
have assumed a variety of powers.   Some of these powers, such as                                                               
road, fire,  and police protection, were  assumed during original                                                               
incorporation and some  were powers acquired after  a borough was                                                               
formed  using  the   mechanism  of  a  boroughwide   vote.    And                                                               
occasionally,  a  city exercising  a  power  in a  borough  might                                                               
transfer that  power to the borough.   But generally there  are a                                                               
variety  of  existing  boroughs  that  don't  have  "road  making                                                               
powers."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL expressed  concern  that if  a home  rule                                                               
[municipality] or  borough was prohibiting  the expansion  or use                                                               
of service areas,  then the state could run  into serious trouble                                                               
[because the proposed CS would not have any effect].                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. COOK  noted that a  municipality with  the right to  form its                                                               
[own] charter  could elect  to place  restrictions on  itself via                                                               
the charter,  as well as  grant itself powers.   So conceptually,                                                               
there could  be a municipality whose  charter restricted offering                                                               
road  powers.     In   spite  of   this,  if   this  hypothetical                                                               
municipality granted  itself the  ability to form  service areas,                                                               
then this  proposed CS  would still apply.   She  elaborated with                                                               
the example  of a home  rule municipality with an  areawide power                                                               
whose  charter  did  not  allow the  home  rule  municipality  to                                                               
provide  road service  on an  areawide basis,  meaning that  [the                                                               
home rule  municipality] won't  plow the streets  in cities.   Or                                                               
the charter  might be even  more restrictive by saying  that [the                                                               
home rule municipality]  won't provide road service  on either an                                                               
areawide or nonareawide basis.   Also, perhaps a charter might be                                                               
restrictive  to  the  point  of not  allowing  the  formation  of                                                               
service areas.  She acknowledged  that although conceptually this                                                               
last example was  possible, she was not aware of  any charters so                                                               
restrictive.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2480                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. COOK  further explained that  while there are  some mandatory                                                               
powers that a charter can not  avoid, such as planning and zoning                                                               
responsibilities, and education, most powers are discretionary.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-12, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 2463                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN  asked if  there was  any distinction  in the                                                               
proposed CS between home rule  boroughs and general law boroughs.                                                               
He also asked for descriptions  of third class, second class, and                                                               
home rule [boroughs], and their powers.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. COOK pointed out that the  proposed CS would apply equally to                                                               
all  classes  of  municipalities.     Therefore,  DCED's  concern                                                               
regarding  the  different  treatment  of home  rule  boroughs  as                                                               
compared to  general law  boroughs was  no longer  an issue.   In                                                               
describing  the different  classes of  municipalities that  exist                                                               
now  and leaving  aside the  question of  cities, she  recognized                                                               
that  there  is the  theoretical  possibility  of a  first  class                                                               
borough, though none  exist.  She went on to  say that there were                                                               
several second  class boroughs, one third  class borough, several                                                               
home rule boroughs, and three  unified municipalities - a type of                                                               
home rule  borough that  has a charter,  but which  has dissolved                                                               
the city  within its  jurisdiction.  With  regard to  powers, the                                                               
third  class borough  of  Haines can  only  provide an  education                                                               
system  and has  no other  powers.   Statutorily, no  other third                                                               
class boroughs may  be formed.  A home rule  municipality has the                                                               
power to adopt a charter for  its own government.  A second class                                                               
borough does not adopt a  charter for its government; instead, it                                                               
has the powers specifically granted to it by state law.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COOK went  on  to  say that  in  her  view, the  distinction                                                               
between  a general  law municipality  and home  rule municipality                                                               
has been  dramatically eroded over time,  particularly since 1985                                                               
when the  municipal code was  rewritten.  In addition,  there was                                                               
the tendency  to grant a great  deal of local control  to general                                                               
law  boroughs,  rather than  take  away  control from  home  rule                                                               
boroughs.  Prior  to 1985, general law boroughs  had their powers                                                               
specifically listed according  to what class they were.   In 1985                                                               
the  legislature  added  a  provision  [to  the  municipal  code]                                                               
allowing general  law boroughs to  acquire additional  powers not                                                               
previously on  the list.   Therefore, a general  law municipality                                                               
can   exercise  a   great  degree   of  individual   autonomy  in                                                               
determining what functions are performed,  even in the absence of                                                               
adopting a charter.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COOK confirmed  for Representative  Berkowitz that  there is                                                               
nothing to  preclude a home  rule municipality from  enacting the                                                               
provisions of  Section 3, subsection  (c), of the proposed  CS as                                                               
either an ordinance or a charter amendment.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2175                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM A. GREENE, Municipal  Attorney, Municipality of Anchorage                                                               
Department of Law, testified via  teleconference.  Elaborating on                                                               
a prior topic,  he pointed out that a home  rule municipality has                                                               
all  legislative powers  not prohibited  by  law or  charter.   A                                                               
general law municipality  has only those powers granted  to it by                                                               
the  Alaska State  Legislature.   He maintained  his belief  that                                                               
there is  still a  problem [with the  proposed CS]  regarding the                                                               
issue of local  and special legislation.  He turned  to the issue                                                               
of  constitutional intent,  which  he indicated  was clear;  that                                                               
home rule  municipalities have all  powers not prohibited  by law                                                               
or charter.   He pointed  out that the  constitutional convention                                                               
intended  for matters  of local  concern to  be handled  by local                                                               
voters,  which  is  clearly  the case  here  [with  road  service                                                               
areas].  He  also pointed out that Anchorage  voters have adopted                                                               
a  charter, portions  of which  the proposed  CS would  override.                                                               
[The  proposed CS]  would supplant  the local  charter and  allow                                                               
home rule cities  to install differential tax zones  for the same                                                               
purpose that boroughs install service  areas, while not requiring                                                               
a  vote.     Thus,  giving   the  entire  authority   to  install                                                               
differential  tax zones  to the  assembly alone.   He  also noted                                                               
that  the proposed  CS would  affect  not just  the limited  road                                                               
service  areas predominant  in Anchorage,  but  also all  service                                                               
areas that are road or  fire, except for nonroad, nonfire service                                                               
areas such as parks and recreation service areas.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2023                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GREENE referred to "areas  affected" language located on page                                                               
2, line 18.  He pointed out  that there was no indication [in the                                                               
proposed CS]  if persons outside  an addition to a  service area,                                                               
who would be affected by the  addition, could vote on the change.                                                               
He would argue that the proposed  CS provides for a minority veto                                                               
and  prohibits   majority  rule  within  the   local  government.                                                               
Further, [the proposed CS] violates  Article X, Section 5, of the                                                               
Alaska  State Constitution  in  that it  impairs  or impedes  the                                                               
annexation  of an  area into  the city  or another  service area.                                                               
Finally, he related  his belief that the Jefferson  case does not                                                             
address  the issue  before the  committee,  but, instead,  simply                                                               
provides that  for conflicts between  local and state  law, local                                                               
law would be overridden only when  it impairs or impedes the full                                                               
and  effective functioning  of state  law;  otherwise, state  and                                                               
local laws could coexist side by side.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1917                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
VICTOR FISCHER  testified via  teleconference.   After confirming                                                               
that he  was formerly an  Alaska State  Senator, a member  of the                                                               
Territorial  House  of Representatives,  and  a  delegate of  the                                                               
Constitutional  Convention, he  expressed  his  opinion that  the                                                               
proposed  CS flies  directly  in  the face  of  the Alaska  State                                                               
Constitution.  [The proposed CS]  undermines the local government                                                               
article [Article X]  and it violates the very  basic principal of                                                               
constitutional home  rule.   The letter and  intent of  the local                                                               
government  article are  perfectly clear;  all government  powers                                                               
are vested  in boroughs and  cities.  They [boroughs  and cities]                                                               
are  to exercise  maximum self-government  -  ideally, full  home                                                               
rule.    The  powers  of  local  government  shall  be  construed                                                               
liberally,  that is,  with least  restriction.   The proposed  CS                                                               
goes against all  of these [ideals].  If  the legislature doesn't                                                               
like the  constitutional principals  and policies, then  let them                                                               
change [the  constitution] because  it is  very clear  that there                                                               
are only boroughs and cities.   Service areas are provided in the                                                               
constitution  as service  areas  of boroughs,  and nothing  more.                                                               
[Service areas] are  not units of local government,  nor are they                                                               
autonomous.   [Service  areas] are  units of  their boroughs  and                                                               
that  is  all.    Service   areas  were  established  by  borough                                                               
assemblies  over many  years  to meet  local  needs within  their                                                               
jurisdiction.   Different  municipalities and  different boroughs                                                               
follow different policies in creating service areas.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. FISCHER envisioned  that the proposed CS  would interpose the                                                               
legislature into  the local government  system, and say  that all                                                               
service areas heretofore established are  frozen as of this year,                                                               
2001.    And  then  from  now on,  there  would  be  overwhelming                                                               
obstacles  to  change.   Currently,  the  whole local  government                                                               
article refers to establishing a  local government system that is                                                               
flexible   and  adaptable   to  changing   times  and   different                                                               
geographic  conditions.    Local government  boundaries  are  not                                                               
frozen, unlike  counties in  other states.   There is  a specific                                                               
constitutional   provision   for    changing   local   government                                                               
boundaries.   It  is  assumed that  service  area boundaries  are                                                               
limited to jurisdictions of boroughs  and they are subject to the                                                               
jurisdiction  of  assemblies.   The  proposed  CS would  make  it                                                               
harder to revise  service area boundaries than  to revise borough                                                               
and  city  boundaries,  an  idea he  finds  preposterous.    [The                                                               
proposed  CS]  treads on  the  basic  prerogatives of  home  rule                                                               
municipalities,  whose  charters  currently provide  for  service                                                               
areas, as well as rules  for boundary changes with varying voting                                                               
provisions.  He related his  belief that the legislature does not                                                               
have  any business  telling home  rule  municipalities that  they                                                               
must follow  the legislature's  rules instead of  their own.   He                                                               
noted that he has recently  worked on a consolidation charter for                                                               
Ketchikan that provides more or  less the same provisions, though                                                               
better  phrased, as  [subsection]  (c).   He  commented that  the                                                               
proposed  CS  has  the  same  concept  as  last  year's  tax  cap                                                               
initiative that  was overwhelmingly defeated.   [The proposed CS]                                                               
would, by  state law, impose  a "one size  fits all" rule  on all                                                               
municipalities in  Alaska and  would override  borough ordinances                                                               
and  home rule  charters.   He asserted  that it  is improper  to                                                               
fight  parochial battles  using legislation  when someone  is not                                                               
pleased with  local solutions.   Further,  the judgment  of local                                                               
elected officials should not be  substituted with the judgment of                                                               
the  legislature.    He  advised  the  committee  to  reject  the                                                               
proposed CS  and instead, focus  on strengthening  Alaska's local                                                               
government for the benefit of all the people at the local level.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1691                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   ROKEBERG  asked   if   members   of  the   Constitutional                                                               
Convention's Local  Government Committee had envisioned  that the                                                               
entire  state  would  be  organized   in  boroughs,  without  any                                                               
unorganized  boroughs,   which  would   explain  why   the  local                                                               
government provisions were written as they are.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FISCHER  informed  the  committee   that  the  Alaska  State                                                               
Constitution  clearly set  forth  the intention  that the  entire                                                               
state  was to  be divided  into boroughs,  in plural.   He  said,                                                               
"There was never  conceived to be one unorganized  borough."  The                                                               
minutes  [of  the  Constitutional Convention's  Local  Government                                                               
Committee], which he had just  recently reviewed, clearly reflect                                                               
that  the first  step (indisc.)  taken  was the  division of  the                                                               
state into regional  boroughs, and then there would  be a process                                                               
for determining which regional boroughs  would organize and which                                                               
would  remain  unorganized on  a  regional  basis.   Mr.  Fischer                                                               
referred to SB 48, which  he felt would address this [unorganized                                                               
boroughs] or at least move in that direction.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  stated "I  just want  to note  ... that                                                               
after  hearing  the  Speaker  [of   the  House]  today,  say  how                                                               
wonderful it  was [that] we  could have  the folks who  wrote the                                                               
constitution come  and tell us  how to interpret it,  and hearing                                                               
Representative  Coghill say  more  or less  the  same thing,  I'm                                                               
looking  forward  to  see  how they  look  at  Senator  Fischer's                                                               
testimony  here  today  and  how  they view  this  bill  in  it's                                                               
totalities."  Representative Berkowitz thanked Mr. Fischer.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1585                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
GAIL DIAL, Birchwood Supervisor,  Chugiak, Birchwood, Eagle River                                                               
Rural  Road  Board  of   Supervisors  (CBERRRSA),  testified  via                                                               
teleconference.    She  clarified that  the  Anchorage  Municipal                                                               
Assembly  passed a  resolution last  Tuesday supporting  SSHB 13.                                                               
She noted  that the  Municipality of  Anchorage operates  under a                                                               
service  area   concept,  which  means  that   the  residents  of                                                               
particular areas have  voted on whether to receive  and pay taxes                                                               
for a  particular service  from the municipality.   The  issue in                                                               
the proposed  CS is simply  one of clarifying the  existing state                                                               
laws and  the municipal charter.   She believes that is  an issue                                                               
supported by  the Anchorage  Assembly.   The only  difference she                                                               
sees  between   the  existing  laws  (indisc.)   to  the  service                                                               
districts and the  proposed CS is that varied  mill levies within                                                               
a service  district would be  allowed.  She  went on to  say that                                                               
the  service  district  of  her   area  has  20  percent  of  the                                                               
population of the Municipality of  Anchorage, with landmass equal                                                               
to  the area  of people  (indisc.) Anchorage.   In  addition, her                                                               
area  is separated  [from  the  city] by  two  military bases,  a                                                               
mountain,  and  a river.    She  pointed  out that  Girdwood  was                                                               
another  area  in  the  same   situation.    Her  area  has  road                                                               
maintenance, fire,  and park services,  which are all  managed by                                                               
separate, volunteer boards.  The  ability to have a tax variation                                                               
within  a service  district  would  be a  benefit  to both  their                                                               
service  district and  the Municipality  of  Anchorage, which  is                                                               
also  a road  service district.   There  are 26  separate service                                                               
districts  that  provide  road   and  drainage  services  in  the                                                               
Municipality  of Anchorage.   She  explained  that because  their                                                               
[CBERRRSA]  area is  so large,  with approximately  200 miles  of                                                               
road to be maintained under  a variety of circumstances, it would                                                               
be  advantageous  to have  one  service  district with  different                                                               
levels of  service.   She does  not believe  that passage  of the                                                               
proposed CS will result in mass confusion                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
EDWARD C. WILLIS  testified via teleconference.   He informed the                                                               
committee  that he  had submitted  his [supporting]  testimony in                                                               
writing and wished to yield his time to other speakers.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1280                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LEE JORDAN  testified via teleconference.   He felt  the proposed                                                               
CS would protect  the rights of people who live  in service areas                                                               
and depend on  those services.  As an example,  he brought up the                                                               
formation in 1964  of the Greater Anchorage  Area Borough, during                                                               
which, the people of Chugiak  saw an opportunity to provide their                                                               
fire department  with a working  mechanism that would  allow them                                                               
to operate successfully.  He  believes the proposed CS deals with                                                               
the dual majority vote in  service area questions, whether one is                                                               
created, altered,  or abolished; and  he feels the  dual majority                                                               
vote should be protected.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
BOBBI WELLS, Officer, Birchwood  Community Council, testified via                                                               
teleconference.  She  did not see any problems  with enacting the                                                               
proposed CS.  She feels the  state has the authority and the duty                                                               
to safeguard the right of its  citizens to choose, and nothing in                                                               
the  proposed  CS precludes  the  state  from  doing this.    She                                                               
supports the proposed CS.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
FINIS  SHELDON testified  via teleconference  in  support of  the                                                               
proposed CS.   Also, he  wondered if  the proposed CS  would deal                                                               
with the court's concerns.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE  answered  "No,  that  was  for  area  wide                                                               
greater good and this, of course  is for neighborhood roads, so I                                                               
don't  think  that   arguments  there  were  germane."     As  he                                                               
understood, the  Alaska Supreme Court  case on  police protection                                                               
abrogated the  charter, saying  it was  for a  greater good.   He                                                               
suspected that the court would  not feel that a neighborhood road                                                               
was at  the same level  as police  protection.  He  confirmed for                                                               
Chair Rokeberg  that the proposed  CS only pertained  to existing                                                               
road and fire service areas.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0854                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BONNIE  NELSON testified  via teleconference  in  support of  the                                                               
proposed   CS.     In  addition,   she  strongly   supported  any                                                               
legislation that would strengthen  local control on all services,                                                               
such as parks and recreation,  transit, and sidewalks in downtown                                                               
Eagle River.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DARYL NELSON testified via teleconference.   He noted his support                                                               
of local  control and  belief that  the Chugiak/Eagle  River area                                                               
should maintain its  own services.  He pointed out  that 30 years                                                               
ago  the  Chugiak/Eagle   River  area  voted  to   have  its  own                                                               
community, while  Anchorage had voted  it down.  He  would rather                                                               
maintain his  own services  as much as  possible because,  in his                                                               
view,  Anchorage is  providing less  and less  when Chugiak/Eagle                                                               
River requests services.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0658                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JAMES  SWING,  Director,   Public  Works  Department,  Matanuska-                                                               
Susitna  (Mat-Su)  Borough,  testified via  teleconference.    He                                                               
explained that the  voters of the Mat-Su borough,  a second class                                                               
borough,  chose   the  service  area  concept   to  provide  road                                                               
maintenance services.   The 16  road service areas of  the Mat-Su                                                               
valley, though  of varying sizes, all  have in common:   the same                                                               
powers   granted  by   ordinance,   contracts  with   contractors                                                               
specifying   the  same   maintenance   requirements,  and   roads                                                               
maintained  at the  same level  of service.   In  addition, these                                                               
areas have similar  mill rates and similar road  conditions.  The                                                               
borough  administers all  contracts and  in some  cases, such  as                                                               
patching potholes  and sealing  cracks, performs  the maintenance                                                               
service as  well.  He  also pointed  out that their  service area                                                               
supervisors are not  elected.  Rather, they are  appointed by the                                                               
borough mayor and  confirmed by the assembly.   These supervisors                                                               
act  only  as  advisors  to the  assembly,  recommending  capital                                                               
improvements  and projects,  and  mill rates;  for all  practical                                                               
purposes,  it is  the  borough that  contracts  and controls  all                                                               
activity within service areas.   Mr. Swing noted that [the Mat-Su                                                               
Public Works Department] is opposed  to the proposed CS primarily                                                               
due to the rapid growth  experienced in their area, because there                                                               
would  be too  much delay  while  waiting for  voter approval  on                                                               
service  area issues.   For  example, if  a proposed  subdivision                                                               
crosses  service area  boundaries, particularly  since all  roads                                                               
are  built  to  borough  standards,  why  wait  to  provide  road                                                               
maintenance  services  until  the  next  general  election.    In                                                               
conclusion,  Mr. Swing  recommended that  should the  proposed CS                                                               
move  out of  committee,  that it  be amended  to  include a  six                                                               
percent  factor in  road service  areas similar  to fire  service                                                               
areas.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWING, in  response  to questions  and  statements posed  by                                                               
Representative  James, related  that the  Mat-Su Borough  did not                                                               
have  areawide  powers;  it  has road  powers  only  through  the                                                               
service areas.   However, because [the borough]  has been working                                                               
over  the years  to ensure  that  the roads  in their  contiguous                                                               
service areas have the same level  of service, it appears, to the                                                               
casual observer, as  though the Mat-Su valley  does have areawide                                                               
service powers.   He noted  that these service areas  were formed                                                               
in  the  1980's when  the  state  provided  a  lot of  money  for                                                               
maintenance, and  often the  boundaries don't  seem to  make much                                                               
sense.  He acknowledged that  consolidation of some service areas                                                               
might  be an  advantage to  the  people in  those areas.   As  an                                                               
explanation  of what  road service  commissioners  do, Mr.  Swing                                                               
reiterated that  they are advisory  only, though they  do provide                                                               
the  important  function  of  being  the eyes  and  ears  of  the                                                               
community.   Addressing the  question of why  a service  area may                                                               
have  money left  over  at  the end  of  the  year, he  recounted                                                               
situations whereby a  service area taxes itself  above and beyond                                                               
the  cost of  maintenance and  thus  has money  left for  capital                                                               
improvements within that specific road service area.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWING further explained for  Representative Rokeberg that the                                                               
Mat-Su  Borough has  separate fire  service  areas with  variable                                                               
mill  rates, with  the mill  levies being  based on  the assessed                                                               
valuation  of  the  service area.    Emergency  Medical  service,                                                               
however, is an  areawide function because the people  voted it to                                                               
be such.                                                                                                                        
[Please note that the tape was  changed early and thus there is a                                                               
brief pause in recording.]                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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Number 0009                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  GATTI,  Borough   Attorney,  Matanuska-Susitna  Borough,                                                               
testified via  teleconference in  opposition to the  proposed CS.                                                               
He said  he feels  [the proposed CS]  is regressive  and detracts                                                               
from local  control in that  it takes  away the authority  of the                                                               
assembly to determine what is to  occur or not occur.  Also, that                                                               
it raises  serious constitutional  and policy  considerations for                                                               
the administration of  local government, as well  as questions as                                                               
to how  the constitution fits  into this particular  proposed CS.                                                               
He found former  Senator Fischer's testimony to be  quite apt and                                                               
compelling  in  demonstrating  why service  areas  were  adopted.                                                               
Other  testimony,   both  pro  and   con,  has   illustrated  the                                                               
distinctions found  throughout the  state in  the way  that local                                                               
municipalities treat  service areas.  These  distinctions between                                                               
service  areas as  they  exercise maximum  local  control, are  a                                                               
result  of how  individual municipalities  want to  see functions                                                               
accomplished.   He  maintained that  the proposed  CS would  take                                                               
away from local  self-control.  Elaborating on the  issue of fire                                                               
service areas,  he pointed out  that under  Title 18 there  is an                                                               
allowance for  mutual aid so  that fire  service responsibilities                                                               
can  be shared  among  the various  fire services.    This is  an                                                               
example of creating efficiencies on  the local side for services.                                                               
He related his belief that in  these instances it is not "charged                                                               
back."   However, he  noted that fire  service is  different from                                                               
road service.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWING informed  the  committee that  the  Mat-Su Borough,  a                                                               
second  class borough,  has  areawide,  nonareawide, and  service                                                               
area powers  that are  exercised.   Because of  the way  in which                                                               
those powers  are exercised, eventually  the Mat-Su  Borough will                                                               
have  to  review  the  form  of  governance  it  is  engaged  in.                                                               
Therefore, the borough  may find that changing  from second class                                                               
status would  be advantageous in  the future.   The consolidation                                                               
of  service areas  by the  assembly is  one tool  that determines                                                               
governmental  efficiencies.   In  an  era  of rapid  growth,  the                                                               
proposed  CS detracts  from the  ability of  local assemblies  to                                                               
accomplish  governmental  efficiencies  -  an  already  difficult                                                               
task.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG turned over the gavel to Vice Chair Ogan.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0318                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GATTI  cautioned  the  committee   that  it  must  carefully                                                               
scrutinize the proposed  CS, and any similar  legislation, due to                                                               
the  serious constitutional  issues  raised.   Recognizing  that,                                                               
should  a court  case come  about because  of the  constitutional                                                               
concerns of  the proposed CS, lawyers  on each side of  the issue                                                               
will have opposing viewpoints; therefore,  he didn't see any need                                                               
to  take the  risk of  having [the  proposed CS]  struck down  in                                                               
court to  begin with.   Mr. Gatti  mentioned that nothing  in the                                                               
proposed  CS  would  preclude  attempts   of  annexation  in  the                                                               
Knik/Fairview area,  because it is the  local boundary commission                                                               
that governs annexation procedures.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0481                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GATTI,  in response  to Vice Chair  Ogan, predicted  that the                                                               
proposed  CS  would  conflict  with  the  following  sections  of                                                               
Article  X.   Section  1,  because  it  calls for  maximum  local                                                               
government with  a minimum of  local units, as well  as liberally                                                               
construed  municipal powers.   Section  2, because  service areas                                                               
are not  units of local  government.   And Section 5,  because of                                                               
service area/municipality issues.   In response to Representative                                                               
James,  Mr. Gatti  clarified  that he  did  not consider  service                                                               
areas to be  local government, simply a  geographical taxing area                                                               
that  allows  for  exercising  a higher  or  different  level  of                                                               
service   within   the   boundaries   of   that   service   area.                                                               
Traditionally, local  assemblies have had the  ability to abolish                                                               
and  consolidate service  areas without  a minority  vote of  the                                                               
people.  He  pointed out that in the majority  ruled democracy of                                                               
America,  even if  some  members of  the  minority disagree,  the                                                               
majority determines what  happens.  The proposed  CS does exactly                                                               
the opposite.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  remarked that it  appears to her as  if, in                                                               
some instances, the concepts and  abilities of road service areas                                                               
have been  misrepresented; whereby, the road  service areas often                                                               
behave more like units of local government.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GATTI offered  the argument  that,  at least  in the  Mat-Su                                                               
Borough,  the advisory  road service  area supervisors  and their                                                               
opinions  are highly  respected by  the Mat-Su  Borough Assembly.                                                               
It is  a rare day that  the assembly ignores the  opinions of the                                                               
road service  area supervisors.   He related his belief  that the                                                               
supervisors  perform a  tremendous  service and  do an  excellent                                                               
job.    Nevertheless,   they  are  not  another   form  of  local                                                               
government, and to consider them so is wrong                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR OGAN returned the gavel to Chair Rokeberg.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0830                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
OCIE ADAMS  testified via  teleconference.   He asked  whether or                                                               
not the  proposed CS would,  by requiring  a vote of  the people,                                                               
preclude the  Anchorage Borough  from annexing  a portion  of the                                                               
Knik road service area.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE  related his view  that it could  not happen                                                               
if  they were  already  part  of the  Anchorage  area, without  a                                                               
majority vote of both entities involved.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG  pointed  out   that  this  particular  situation                                                               
appeared to be  an annexation/boundary issue and  was not germane                                                               
to the topic of service areas.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. ADAMS  concluded by saying  that he  shared some of  the same                                                               
concerns expressed  by the Matanuska-Susitna  Borough.   He noted                                                               
however, that  he was there to  speak on behalf of  the people of                                                               
the road service areas, who support  the proposed CS.  He himself                                                               
would support  it if it  were to include  a six percent  limit on                                                               
the size of changes to a road service area.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0968                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ABIGAIL  FULLER, Vice  President,  Kachemak  Area Coalition  Inc.                                                               
DBA,   Citizens  Concerned   About   Annexation,  testified   via                                                               
teleconference in support of the proposed CS.  Her testimony is                                                                 
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     You  may  wonder   what  this  bill  has   to  do  with                                                                    
     annexation, but the basic issue  is the same - who gets                                                                    
     to decide.   And we do have a service  area that may be                                                                    
     affected by annexation.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     I understand the  gist of this bill is  that the people                                                                    
     within a  special service  area should  be the  ones to                                                                    
     approve any  changes to the  service area,  rather than                                                                    
     have the  changes imposed  by the  ruling municipality.                                                                    
     (I'm  including  boroughs  in the  term  municipality.)                                                                    
     Service   areas,   like   municipalities,   are   about                                                                    
     collecting taxes and providing  services.  Changes to a                                                                    
     service area,  or a municipality, aren't  just lines on                                                                    
     a  map;  they  involve  changing  the  taxes  paid  and                                                                    
     services  received by  a group  of people.   In  a free                                                                    
     country, it is  the people who make  these choices, not                                                                    
     some branch  of government.   Making changes  without a                                                                    
     vote is  socialism.  This  concept applies  equally for                                                                    
     boundary changes  to cities and boroughs;  the affected                                                                    
     people have a right to vote  on what they will have for                                                                    
     local government.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     As an example, last year  we established a new fire and                                                                    
     emergency  services area,  which  was  approved by  the                                                                    
     voters  residing in  the area.   The  City of  Homer is                                                                    
     trying  to annex  a portion  of the  new service  area,                                                                    
     which if approved would take  a significant bite out of                                                                    
     it.  Under  current law it is entirely up  to the state                                                                    
     to make this decision.  We  get no vote whatsoever.  We                                                                    
     voted to set  up this service area but it  can be taken                                                                    
     away against our  will, without a vote, at  the whim of                                                                    
     the  government.    This  is wrong,  and  needs  to  be                                                                    
     changed.  Not only should  the service area itself have                                                                    
     to approve  this change, but  the people who  will have                                                                    
     their service  area replaced by city  government have a                                                                    
     right to vote on this change.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     All people  deserve the level  of autonomy  promised by                                                                    
     this bill.   Governor  Knowles was  wrong to  veto last                                                                    
     year's  version.    Taking power  from  government,  at                                                                    
     whatever level, and  giving it to the people  is a good                                                                    
     thing.   It all boils down  to the same question  - who                                                                    
     gets to decide  local government issues -  the state or                                                                    
     the people?  It should be the people.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     I want  to thank  you for  removing the  restriction on                                                                    
     second  class  boroughs  of  under  60,000  population.                                                                    
     This  does  need to  apply  to  all boroughs,  and  all                                                                    
     service areas.   And  we do support  this bill.   Thank                                                                    
     you.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1086                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SALLY   DODD-BUTTERS,   Citizens  Concerned   About   Annexation,                                                               
testified  via  teleconference.    She declared,  that  with  the                                                               
change   removing   the   60,000  population   limit,   she   was                                                               
wholeheartedly  in favor  of the  proposed  CS.   She raised  the                                                               
point that  local control should  be by the voters,  not "control                                                               
of the  voters," on  issues of  self determination  that directly                                                               
affect their lives.  She contended  that if the proposed CS flies                                                               
in  the  face of  state  law  or  policy,  and the  Alaska  State                                                               
Constitution, then it  is time to correct the  state law, policy,                                                               
and  constitution.   In  regard  to the  issue  of annexation  or                                                               
taxation  without  representation,  Ms.  Dodd-Butters  felt  that                                                               
needed to be changed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1228                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RICK NAVIN, Director, Direct  Service Department, Fairbanks North                                                               
Star  Borough, testified  via  teleconference.   He  acknowledged                                                               
that   former   Senator   Fischer's   testimony   reflected   his                                                               
understanding of  the origin of  the authority to  create service                                                               
areas, and  how they  are completed and  administered.   He noted                                                               
that  in Fairbanks,  appointed officials,  not elected  ones, run                                                               
the service areas.   With regard to Article X,  Section 5, of the                                                               
Alaska State Constitution,  he feels the proposed CS  would put a                                                               
unique  stricture  on a  creating  body.   Currently,  there  are                                                               
mechanisms that  allow for creation  of a borough  government, as                                                               
well as  allow changes to  a portion  of a borough  government to                                                               
occur.    Passage  of  the  proposed  CS  would  take  away  this                                                               
authority to  effect change.   Furthermore, even though  a number                                                               
of service areas exist other than  fire and road, the proposed CS                                                               
only addresses those two authorities.   He also expressed concern                                                               
with the concept  of exempting fire service areas  of six percent                                                               
or fewer  parcels from annexation.   In spite of  these concerns,                                                               
he was  in favor  of allowing  for disparate  tax rates  within a                                                               
service area.   He  anticipated that it  would become  a valuable                                                               
tool to the borough as they  bring new service areas, or parts of                                                               
service areas,  to parity with existing  service area conditions.                                                               
He is  not sure however,  if it would  be utilized much  to allow                                                               
for different levels of service within service areas.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. NAVIN  reported that there  are 111 service districts  in the                                                               
Fairbanks North Star Borough:   5 fire service areas; 2 specialty                                                               
areas, one  streetlight, one sewer;  and 104 road  service areas.                                                               
He  added that  the bulk  of the  road service  areas connect  to                                                               
either other service  areas or to state  maintained highways, but                                                               
he did not have specific numbers  with him.  He noted the concept                                                               
of  requiring  elections  as  [more  support]  for  opposing  the                                                               
Proposed CS because  the costs [for the elections]  would have to                                                               
be absorbed by the local government  who in turn, would pass them                                                               
on to existing service areas.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1550                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN  RITCHIE,  Executive   Director,  Alaska  Municipal  League                                                               
(AML), said he appreciated the  opportunity to discuss the issues                                                               
raised  by  the proposed  CS,  particularly  with regard  to  the                                                               
Alaska  State Constitution  and  its meaning.    Another area  of                                                               
concern that  has engendered thoughtful  discussion is  the issue                                                               
of balance between where local decisions  ought to be made and at                                                               
what level.  He directed members  to the letter that outlines the                                                               
position of AML.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RITCHIE pointed  out  that the  proposed  CS would  overrule                                                               
local  charters,  which  form  the  basis  of  local  government.                                                               
Furthermore, assemblies  can already do  what is proposed  in the                                                               
proposed CS,  and thus he  feels that  the proper place  for that                                                               
type of  discussion is at the  local level.  He  also pointed out                                                               
that though Section  3 is problematic, as  the previous testimony                                                               
illustrated, Section 4 [differential  taxation] seems like a good                                                               
tool to  give local  governments.   He used  an example  of where                                                               
different response  times in  a fire  service district  result in                                                               
differential "ISO ratings" for fire insurance.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RITCHIE,  in  response to  a  question  from  Representative                                                               
Coghill, said that the proposed CS  appears to impose a "one time                                                               
solution"  on  all the  municipalities  at  the same  time,  even                                                               
though  voters  in  different  areas   might  benefit  more  from                                                               
solutions derived  locally and tailored to  their specific needs.                                                               
He related his belief that  the spirit of what the constitutional                                                               
framers intended, was for those types  of issues to be handled by                                                               
local governments through  ordinances, charters, and initiatives.                                                               
And  while  he recognized  that  community  councils and  service                                                               
areas  have a  lot of  political  power, he  reiterated that  the                                                               
individual  needs of  the  community  should be  looked  at as  a                                                               
whole,  at the  local level,  rather than  mandated at  the state                                                               
level.  His view is that  the proposed CS is based on theoretical                                                               
problems, rather than addressing any current problems.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1886                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  expressed frustration with the  current way                                                               
in which road service powers are  viewed and treated, both by the                                                               
municipalities, and the people in road service areas.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROKEBERG  reiterated that he  feels the proposed  CS raises                                                               
policy issues notwithstanding any  constitutional issues.  And on                                                               
the  point of  policy, it  is how  far to  devolve the  rights of                                                               
democracy down to the lowest  denominator of people.  In contrast                                                               
to the position he perceives the  AML holds, he believes that the                                                               
legislature should  not be restricted  from overriding  a charter                                                               
simply because all the local people voted on it [the charter].                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. RITCHIE  clarified that the  question raised is,  between the                                                               
state level and the assembly level,  who should set the rules for                                                               
the framework of  how decisions are made.  He  elaborated that at                                                               
the local level  people actually do have a vote  because they can                                                               
change the representatives or they  can bring forth an initiative                                                               
petition.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  commented that when people  are not getting                                                               
a desired response from their  local government, they come to the                                                               
legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG noted  that sometimes  it is  easier to  change a                                                               
charter at  the state level  or through  the courts, then  at the                                                               
local level.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2079                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROKEBERG   closed  public  testimony  and   indicated  the                                                               
proposed CS would be held  over until the next available meeting,                                                               
at  which time  questions  by the  committee  could be  addressed                                                               
though no additional public testimony would be taken.                                                                           

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